Family 8 (mtDNA L3a1b) - Index
   
   



English Families

1 1a 1b 1c 1d 1e 1f 1g 1h 1i 1j 1k 1l 1m 1n 1o 1p 1r 1s 1t 1u 1w 1x 2 2a 2b 2c 2d 2e 2f 2g 2h 2i 2j 2k 2l 2m 2n 2o 2p 2r 2s 2t 2u 2w 3 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 3g 3h 3i 3j 3k 3l 3m 3n 3o 4 4a 4b 4c 4d 4e 4f 4g 4h 4i 4j 4k 4l 4m 4n 4o 4p 4r 5 5a 5b 5c 5d 5e 5f 5g 5h 5i 5j 6 6a 6b 6c 6d 6e 6f 6x 7 7a 7b 7c 7d 7e 7f 8 8a 8b 8c 8d 8e 8f 8g 8h 8i 8j 8k 9 9a 9b 9c 9d 9e 9f 9g 9h 10 10a 10b 10c 10d 10e 11 11a 11b 11c 11d 11e 11f 12 12a 12b 12c 12d 12e 12f 12g 13 13a 13b 13c 13d 13e 14 14a 14b 14c 14d 14e 14f 15 15a 15b 15d 16 16a 16b 16c 16d 16e 16f 16g 16h 17 17a 17b 17c 17d 18 18a 19 19a 19b 19c 20 20a 20b 20c 20d 21 21a 22 22a 22b 22c 22d 23 23a 23b 24 25 26 27 27a 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74
BUSTLER MARE (f 1690c Bustler) ..... Family 8
     Byerley Turk Mare (f 1695c Byerley Turk)
          Hutton's Royal Colt Mare (f 1700c Hutton's Royal Colt)
          |     Surley [Hutton's] (gr c 1708 Hutton's Grey Barb)
          |     Sister To Surley (f 1710c Hutton's Grey Barb)
          |          Coneyskins Mare (f 1720c Coneyskins [Hutton's])
          |               Squirrel Mare (f 1725c Fox Cub)
          |                    The Ruby Mare (f 1740c Blacklegs [Hutton's])
          |                    |     Little John Mare (f 1745c Little John [Bolton's])
          |                    |     |     Atalanta [ex-Almony] (b f 1753 Regulus)
          |                    |     |          Sultana (f 1764 Brilliant)
          |                    |     Marske (br c 1750 Squirt)
          |                    |     REGULUS MARE (br f 1757 Regulus) ..... 8-a
          |                    |          Cantatrice (f 1767 Sampson)
          |                    |               Termagant (f 1772 Tantrum)
          |                    |                    Pewett (b f 1786 Tandem)
          |                    |                         PAULINA (b f 1804 Sir Peter Teazle) ..... 8-e
          |                    |                              Galatea (br f 1816 Amadis)
          |                    |                                   Sybil (b f 1822 Imperator)
          |                    |                                        Patty Primrose (ch f 1830 Confederate)
          |                    |                                             Margrave Mare (ch f 1836 Margrave)
          |                    |                                                  LADY ELIZABETH (ch f 1845 Sleight Of Hand) ..... 8-j
          |                    Careless [Hutton's] (gr c 1742 Spot [Hutton's])
          Grey Barb Mare (f 1705c Hutton's Grey Barb)
               Coneyskins Mare (f 1715c Coneyskins [Hutton's])
                    Bay Bolton Mare (f 1720c Bay Bolton)
                         Mulso Turk Mare (f 1725c Hutton's Bay Turk)
                         |     Merryman's Dam (f 1730c Hutton's Bay Arabian)
                         |     |     Merryman (gr c 1742 Spot [Hutton's])
                         |     Bay Ranger's Dam (f 1732c Mixbury Galloway)
                         |          Sister To Bay Ranger (f 1744c Spot [Hutton's])
                         |          |     Chesnut Ranger (GB) ch c 1759 Regulus)
                         |          Morton Arabian Mare (f 1746c Morton's Arabian)
                         |          |     Ferret's Dam (f 1760c Regulus)
                         |          |          Ferret (b f 1765 Brother To Silvio)
                         |          |               Sylvia (ch f 1783 Young Marske)
                         |          |                    TIPPLE CYDER (ch f 1788 King Fergus) ..... 8-k
                         |          |                    Sister To Spindleshanks (b f 1793 Spadille)
                         |          |                         Lady Eliza (b f 1813 Whitworth)
                         |          |                              Ardrossan Mare (ch f 1817 Ardrossan)
                         |          |                                   Beeswing (b f 1833 Dr. Syntax)
                         |          |                                        Honeysuckle (b f 1851 Touchstone)
                         |          |                                             WOODBINE (b f 1860 Stockwell) ..... 8-c
                         |          |                                                  Violet (b f 1864 Thormanby)
                         |          |                                                  |     VIOLET MELROSE (b f 1875 Scottish Chief) ..... 8-g
                         |          |                                                  FERONIA (b f 1868 Thormanby) ..... 8-d
                         |          |                                                       ATALANTA (bbr f 1878 Galopin) ..... 8-h
                         |          Ranger [Hutton's] (b c 1749 Spot [Hutton's])
                         Tweedle's Grandam (f 1735c Fox Cub)
                         |     Fletcher Arabian Mare (f 1740c Fletcher's Arabian)
                         |     |     Tweedle (b c 1752 Rib)
                         |     |     Cademus (b c 1753 Cade)
                         |     |     Snap (c 1759c Snap)
                         |     PRISCILLA'S DAM (f 1745c Spot [Hutton's]) ..... 8-b
                         |          Portia (b f 1758 Regulus)
                         |               Dorimond Mare (f 1765 Dorimond)
                         |                    Gentle Kitty (ch f 1774 Silvio)
                         |                         Catherine (ch f 1786 Young Marske)
                         |                         |     Sister To Bangtail (b f 1793 Highflyer)
                         |                         |          Buzzard Mare (f 1803 Buzzard)
                         |                         |               Soothsayer Mare (ch f 1815 Soothsayer)
                         |                         |                    Baleine (gr f 1830 Whalebone)
                         |                         |                         PHYSALIS (gr f 1841 Bay Middleton) ..... 8-i
                         |                         Mary (b f 1797 Young Marske)
                         |                              REMEMBRANCER MARE (b f 1807 Remembrancer) ..... 8-f
                         Blacklegs Mare (f 1740c Blacklegs [Hutton's])
                              Spot Mare (f 1745c Spot [Hutton's])
                              |     Creeping Kate (gr f 1755 Young Cade)
                              Cade Mare (f 1746c Cade)
                              |     Marcellus (b c 1753 Shock)
                              Stately (ch f 1750 Mogul)
   
Family 8
 
The above table represents our own research and does not follow the General Stud Book or Bobinski-Zamoyski.
 
Genetic Genealogy
 
The mtDNA haplotype (L3a1b) typical of family 8 is also typical of family 16.  Both families have roots in the Hutton stud, raising the possibility of, but not conclusively proving, a common 17th century dam.

See: The Hutton Family of Marske.
 
Hutton's Surley
 
The pedigree for Hutton's Surley, which differs from that given in the General Stud Book, is recorded in Cuthbert Routh's stud book. This pedigree adds two more crosses to the traditional mare line:
Mare by Bay Dodsworth
   Mare by Barb
      Mare by Bustler (the traditional taproot)
          Mare by Byerley Turk
              Mare by Hutton's Royal Colt
                  Sister to Surley by Hutton's Grey Barb
The "Barb" is not identified [C M Prior, Early Records:30]. Bay Dodsworth is possibly the same horse as Dicky Pierson.
 
Physalis
 
Nine of fifteen offspring, from various non-grey sires, of the chestnut Soothsayer Mare (2nd dam of Physalis) are recorded as roan in the General Stud Book. Since her offspring also had grey offspring from non-grey sires the assumption is that the chestnut Soothsayer Mare was instead grey. No explanation was given for the spontaneous appearance of the grey colour.
 

Early Generations of Family 8
 

(Mr Hutton's) mare by Byerley Turk, out of a Bustler Mare

mare by Hutton's Royal Colt (~1701)

mare by Hutton's Grey Barb

mare by Hutton's Grey Barb

mare by Coneyskins

mare by Coneyskins

mare by Bay Bolton

mare by Lister's Fox Cub (alias Squirrel)

mare by Fox Cub

mare by the Mulso Turk (sire of Blacklegs)

mare by Hutton's Blacklegs

Marske's dam, by Hutton's Blacklegs

a sister?, by Hutton's Blacklegs

Priscilla's dam, by Hutton's Spot

mare by Hutton's Bay Arabian (sire of Chance)

mare by Mixbury (dam of a mare by Lord Morton's Arabian, which foaled Ferret's dam by Regulus)

 

Stately (1750 ch f) by Mogul

mare by Hutton's Spot

 

mare by the Bolton Little John

Portia, by Regulus

(Old) Grey Spot, by Hutton's Spot

Hutton's Ranger (1749 b c) by Hutton's Spot

1752 b f by Regulus

 

1758 b c by Regulus, bred by James Brown of Scarboro'

 

Mr Curzon's Almony (Atalanta, dam of Sultana in GSB), by Regulus

DORIMOND MARE

 

 

 

 

 
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
 

Pedigrees used to create this chart (please see Lord Rockingham's pedigrees)
 
Pedigrees are confusing and perhaps confused; the most credible are:
 
1   Marske Augt ye 29th 1754 / The Brown Mare [Marske's dam] was got by my Blacklegs, her Dam by Mr Lister's Fox Cub, her Grandam by Coneyskins, her great Grandam by the Hutton Grey Barb, her gt gt Grandam by the Royal Colt, her gt gt gt Grandam by Byerley Turk out of a Mare got by Bustler.
A year old Fillye from the above Mare got by Cade / John Hutton [WWM R193/67, Sheffield Archives].

TRIMMER. TO cover this Season, at Foaty, near Cove, at two guineas a mare, and 5 s 5 d the groom; his performance when a racer is well known. He was got by Hutton's young Marske, dam by bay Ranger, grand dam by Phantom, great grand dam by Black Legs, which was the dam of old Marske, gt gt grand dam by Fox Cub, gt gt gt grand dam by Connyskins, gt gt gt gt grand dam by the Grey Barb, and gt gt gt gt gt grand dam by the Royal Colt, from a Beverley [sic] Turk mare. 1794 Irish Racing Calendar; Stallions, in 1795.

From the Sporting Magazine, Vol. 9. Second Series. or Vol. 84. Old Series. May, 1834. p27-31 "Death of Octavian, his Pedigree, Performances, and Winnings of his Progeny."

..... [Octavian's] sire was Stripling (a son of Phœnomenon), his dam by Oberon, his grandam by Ranthos, own Brother to Pumpkin, &c; his great great grandam by Sir Charles Turner's Sweepstakes; his great great great grandam Sister to Hutton's Old Careless*, by Spot - Fox Cub - Coneyskins - Hutton's Grey Barb - Hutton's Royal Colt - Byerley Turk - Bustler. / * The pedigree of Hutton's Old Careless has, I believe, never before appeared in print. This pedigree of him I have obtained from some MS pedigrees of the late Mr Wm Pick (of York), which are now in my possession." Alfred Highflyer. / Ebor, March 27, 1834.

..... OCTAVIAN was bred by a Mr Crosier, who resided at that time at Hummanby [sic], near Scarbrough… [he] then had a sort of partnership or connection with a Mr Allison, a blacksmith…. Allison had purchased OCTAVIAN's dam of the late well-known Mr John Peverill, of the Black Lion Hotel, Stockton, a celebrated breeder of blood horses and cocks, whose attested pedigree of the Oberon mare, in his own hand writing, I have now in my possession.
   
2   ALMONY (1753), Mr Curzon’s [apparently same as Atalanta, dam of Sultana, in GSB :1891], was got by Regulus; her Dam by the Duke of Bolton’s Little John, her Grandam by Mr Hutton’s Black Legs, her Great Grandam by Mr Leister’s Squirrel, her G G Grandam by Coney Skins, her G G G Grandam by the Grey Barb, her Dam’s Dam was got by a Horse called the Royal Colt, from a Daughter of the Byerley Turk [Pond 1757].
   
3 The DORIMOND MARE was one of the few Hutton-bred horses still in the possession of Mr [James] Hutton at the time the General Stud Book was begun. She is one of only two with a broodmare entry in the Introductory volume of 1791, and appears there without pedigree. Her pedigree was first given in the edition of 1793. In the Supplement of 1800 both her list of produce and pedigree were corrected, with a comment by the editor that "As there was a trifling error in the pedigree as well as in the produce of the Dorimond mare, the whole is here re-printed". Five more foals, all bred by Mr Hutton, the last in 1789, suggest that the source of the corrections appearing in 1800 was Mr Hutton himself. The corrected pedigree was: DORIMOND MARE, 72 [page reference to 1793 edition] Bred by Mr HUTTON, got by Dorimond (Son of Dormouse) her dam, Portia (sister to Plaything's dam) by Regulus - Hutton's Spot - Fox Cub - Bay Bolton - Coneyskins - Hutton's Grey Barb - Byerly Turk.

To COVER this Season, At Bawtry, in Yorkshire, at Three Guineas a Mare, and Five Shillings the Servant, The Bay Horse CADEMUS.
He was got by Old Cade; his Dam, by Fletcher's Arabian; his Grandam, by Lister's Fox-Cub; his Great Grandam, by Bay Bolton; his Great Great Grandam, by Coneyskins; his Great Great Great Grandam, by Hutton's Grey Barb; his Great Great Great Great Grandam, by the Byerley Turk, out of a Bustler Mare.--This is a true Pedigree, as witness my Hand, John Hutton. York Courant. No 2058. Tuesday, April 16, 1765.

By Mr TATTERSALL, Near Hyde Park Turnpike, on Thursday next, at Twelve o'clock, A Brown Mare, four years old, now in training, late the property of the Hon. Thomas King, deceased. She was got by Metaphysician, her dam by Regulus, her grandam by Mr Hutton's Spot, her great grandam by Fox-Cub, her great, great grandam by Bay Bolton, her great, great, great grandam by Coney-skins, her great great, great, great grandam by the Hutton Grey Barb, her great, great, great, great, great grandam by the Byerly Turk. Morning Post and Daily Advertiser, Tuesday, July 27, 1779; Issue 2116.

A Bay Horse, 14 hands, three inches, master of 11 stone, from his action is likely to make a very good hunter; goes well above ground, is steady and quiet to ride, leaps high and very cool, got by Young Marsk, dam by Silvio, grandam by Dorimont, Regulus, Hutton’s Spot, Fox, Cull’s [sic] Bay Bolton, Coneyskins, Hutton’s Grey Barb, and Byerly Turk--Price Twenty Guineas; he is well worth attention. One of the compleatest Roadsters in this Kingdom, five years old, master of 16 stone, is remarkable steady and safe to ride, goes well above ground, and walks fast, canters very easy and well; carries a Lady, and is one of the best horses for a timid rider that can be found--Price Thirty Guineas. To be seen at the Red Lion, Gray’s Inn Lane. Trials allowed. Morning Post, Friday, February 28, 1794; Issue 6508.
   
4 Grey Spot was by Hutton's Spot her Dam by Hutton's bay Arabian (Sire of Chance) her Grandam by Hutton's bay Turk her Grt Gr dam by Bay Bolton her Grt Grt Grdam by Coney Skins her Grt Grt Grt Dam by Hutton's Grey Barb out of a Daur of the Byerly Turk.
Spot was got by Hartley's blind Horse Son of the Holderness Turk his dam by a Son of Hutton's Grey Barb his Grdam by Coney Skins his Grt Grandam by Old Hautboy [the old Grey Mare bout of Mr Hutton] (From the Leicestershire, Leicester & Rutland Record Office, DE1536, records of the Curzons of Breedon-on-the-Hill and Lockington Hall, items DE1536/384/1-3 ).

THERE is now in the Hands of John Henney, at Kedleston, near Derby, a strong well-bred Grey Stallion, went by the Name of MERRYMAN:
Bred by John Hutton, Esq; of Marske, in Yorkshire, and got by his Horse call’d Spot; his Dam by Mr Hutton’s Bay Arabian the Sire [of] Chance; his Grand-Dam by his Bay Turk; his Great Grand-Dam, by Bay Bolton; his Great, Great Grand-Dam by Coney-Skin; and her Dam by his Grey Barb, from a Daughter of Byerley Turk; free from any natural Blemish: The Reason he Covers is, he Lam’d himself at Grass. He Covers at a Guinea a Mare, and One Shilling the Man. Derby Mercury. / Volume XX. / Number 1. / From Friday March 15, to Friday March 22, 1751.
   
5 Ranger, Mr Hutton’s (1749 b c), was got by Mr Hutton’s Spot; his Dam by Mixbury, his Grandam by Mulso Turk, Sire of Mr Hutton’s Black Legs, his Great Grandam by Bay Bolton, his G G Grandam by Coney Skins, his G G G Grandam by Mr Hutton’s Barb, his G G G G Grandam by the Byerley Turk, out of a Bustler Mare (Pond 1755, when racing for Mr Hutton).

POSTHUMOUS Will Cover the ensuing Season at Nunmonkton, near York, at Five Guineas a Mare, and Five Shillings the Groom. Posthumous was got by King Herod; his dam, by Northumberland; his grandam, by Regulus; his great grandam, by Lord Morton's Arabian; his great great grandam, by Lord Chedworth's Mixberry; his great great great grandam, by the Mulso Bay Turk; his great great great great grandam, by Bay Bolton; his great great great great great grandam, by Coneyskins; great great great great great great grandam, by the Grey Barb; his great great great great great great great grandam, by the Byerley Turk, from a Bustler Mare. Pick, 1788 Sportsman & Breeder's Vade Mecum; Stallions to Cover.

TO COVER THIS SEASON, In the neighbourhood of Edinburgh, Haddington, and Dalkeith, THAT well-bred Blood Horse from Yorkshire, YOUNG STAMFORD. Young Stamford was got by Stamford; dam Legacy (Sir Launcelot and Sir Sacripant's dam), by King Fergus; grand-dam Mortonia, by Herod; great-grand-dam, by Northumberland -- None-so-pretty's dam, by Regulus -- Lord Morton's Arabian -- Mixbury -- Mulso Bay Turk -- Bay Bolton -- Coneyskins -- Hutton's Grey barb -- Byerley Turk -- from a Bustler Mare. Edinburgh Advertiser. 11 Mar 1823.
   
6 Marske Augt ye 29th 1754 / A Bay Fillye two years old this grass got by Regulus, her Dam by Mixberry, her Grandam by the Bay Turk (that got my Blacklegs) her great Grandam by Bay Bolton her gt gt Grandam by Coneyskins her great gt gt Grandam by ye Hutton Grey Barb, and her Dam by Byerley Turk from a Bustler Mare / John Hutton (WWM R193/67, Sheffield Archives).
   
7 Stately (1750), Mr Hutton’s [ch m that won the King’s Plate for 5 yo Mares at Hambleton in 1755] was got by Mogul; her Dam by Hutton’s Black-legs, her Grandam by Bay Bolton, her Great Grandam by Coney Skins, her G G Grandam by Hutton’s grey Barb, her G G G Grandam by the Byerley Turk, out of a Bustler Mare (as given in Pond 1756; same information also in Pond 1755 & Heber 1756; mare was racing for Mr Hutton at the time).

To COVER this SEASON, At the White Lion Inn, in Warwick, at Fifteen Shillings a Mare, and a Shilling the Servant, A Beautiful High-bred Bay HORSE, call’d MARCELLUS,
He was got by Old Shock, his Dam by Old Cade, his Grand Dam by Mr Hutton’s Blacklegs, his Great Grand Dam by Bay Bolton, his Great Great Grand Dam by Coneyskins, his Great Great Great Grand Dam by the Grey Barb, (Sire of the famous Bowes Mare) his Great Great Great Great Grand Dam by the Byerly Turk, out of a Bustler Mare. Worcester Journal. Thursday, May 24, 1759. No 2598.

CRAB, the Property of Robert Shepherd, of Leberston, near Scarbrough, Yorkshire, will Cover Mares this Season at One Guinea each, and Half a Crown to the Groom. Crab is rising four Years old, is 14 Hands three Inches and a Half high, a fine Chesnut, and goes well on his Legs. Crab was bred by me, and got by my old Crab; his Dam, by Matchless. Matchless was got by the Godolphin Arabian; his Grandam, by Hutton's Spot, out of his Bay Mare, Darling; his Great Grandam, by Black-Legs; his Great Great Grandam, by Bay Bolton; his Great Great Great Grandam, by Coneyskins; his Great Great Great Great Grandam, by the Hutton Grey Barb; his Great Great Great Great Great Grandam, by the Byerley Turk, out of a Daughter of Bustler. This is a true Pedigree. Robert Shepherd. York Courant. No 2366. Tuesday, February 19, 1771.
   
8 I do Certifie that the Bay Colt wth a Ball face and the off hind foot white, wh I sold to the Rt Honble the Marquis of Rockingham was got by Regulus; his dam by Mr Huttons Spot; his grandam (wch was also Stateleys dam) by the Hutton black legs; her dam by Bay [  ] tton; her dam by Coneyskins her dam by the Hutton Gray Barb; her dam by the Byerley Turk; out of a daughter of Bustler he was foald the 3d: of Aprill 1758 and bred / Scarborough 22d: of Aprill 1760. By me James Brown (WWM R193/43, Sheffield Archives).

To be SOLD to the Best Bidder, At Mrs Browne's Long Room in Scarbrough on Monday the 15th Inst. between the Hours of Twelve and Two in the Afternoon, The STUD of Mr James Browne, deceas'd, Viz
No. 3. A Chesnut Mare, twelve Years old, got by Hutton's Spot out of his Bay Mare, Darling; her Dam, by Black-Legs; her Grandam, by Bay Bolton; her Great Grandam, by Coney-Skins; her Great Great Grandam, by the Hutton Grey Barb; her Great Great Great Grandam, by the Byerley Turk, out of a Daughter of Bustler, with a Filly Foal at her Foot, got by Matchless. York Courant. No 1971. Tuesday, August 9, 1763.
   
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