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Family 15 |
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| This family as now constructed is not fully supported by
eighteenth century pedigrees, raising the possibility that
descendants of Mr Quick's Charlotte (branch 15-b) do
not have the same matrilineage as the branches descending from
Flying Whig. Considerable confusion may result from the
multiplicity of horses and mares called Whynot to be found in
early pedigrees, some of which cannot be further identified or
characterized. (For those interested, a list of early pedigree
references to Whynot's is given at the bottom). |
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| Quick's Charlotte and her descendants |
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Violet (1787) by Shark
Branch 15-b
descends to the present through this mare. She first appeared in
GSB in the Supplement published in 1800 with her first six foals
for Sir T Gascoigne. Her list of produce was extended in the
1803 edition, and in 1808 her entry assumed the form that has
been repeated in all subsequent editions of volume one. VIOLET
was described as
Bred by Sir
THOMAS GASCOIGNE, foaled in 1787, got by Shark, her dam by
Syphon, out of Mr Quick's Charlotte, by Blank - Crab - Dyer's
Dimple - Whynot - Royal Mare.
This is the same
pedigree given in Pick's calendars, except that in 1804 and 1806
in extended pedigrees for Violet's son, Lenox, a cross of Mr
Bethell's Castaway was inserted between Dyer's Dimple and
Whynot. |
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Syphon mare
This Syphon mare made her
first appearance in An Introduction to a General Stud-book,
of 1791. She was described as
Foaled in 1772, her dam (Mr Quick's Charlotte) by Blank - Crab -
Dyer's Dimple (son of the Leedes Arabian) - Whynot (son of
Fenwick's Barb) - Royal Mare.
In the 1803 edition
one more foal was added to her list of produce. And in 1891, her
pedigree was edited to include a cross of Castaway between
Dyer's Dimple and Whynot.
Although this chesnut Syphon
mare appeared in sales lists of horses from Mr Leedes' stud at
North Milford, 1777-1781, her pedigree was given only as "got by
Syphon, her dam by Blank, and was Mr Quick's Charlotte." |
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Mr Quick's Charlotte
This mare does not
have a broodmare entry in GSB, but has been listed as produce of
her dam in every one of her entries. Charlotte's pedigree was
recorded when she was still racing by Heber in his annual for
1763:
Quick, Mr
Charlotte ...
got by Blank, her Dam by Old Crab, Grand Dam by Dyer's Dimple,
her Great Grand Dam by Why-not, out of a Royal Mare. Dyer's
Dimple was got by the Sire of Leeds. Why-not was got by
Fenwick's Barb.
In addition to the Syphon mare
mentioned in GSB, Charlotte also produced a colt by
Swiss in 1770, called Gambler, which was advertised as
a stallion from 1778-1784. His advertisements state that he had
been bred by Sir John Lister Kaye, Bart, and his pedigree
includes a Castaway cross.
He
was got by Swiss, own Brother to Old Snap; his Dam, by Blank,
which Mare was Mr Quick’s Charlotte; his Grandam, by Old Crab;
his Great Grandam, by Dyer’s Dimple; his Great Great Grandam, by
Castaway; his Great Great Great Grandam, by Old Whynot, out of a
Royal Mare. [Leeds Mercury. 2 Mar 1779.] |
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Crab mare
This mare was first entered in
the edition of 1793, as
CRAB
MARE,
Her dam by Dyer's Dimple - Bethell's Castaway - Whynot
- Royal Mare.
However, her son Doge, had
been entered in 1791 as "got by Regulus - Crab - Dyer's Dimple -
Whynot - Royal Mare" (no Castaway cross) while Pick, in his
Pedigrees and Performances of the most Celebrated Race-Horses
(published about 1786) described Doge as
… bred by the Rt Hon Lord Bolingbroke,
was got by Regulus; his dam by Panton's Crab, a daughter of
Dyer's Dimple - Bethell's Castaway - Whynot, (son of the Fenwick
Barb) - and out of a Royal Mare.
A second problem
with this CRAB MARE's entry is that she is credited in GSB as
dam of Mr Stewart's Hartley, a 1754 gr c by a "son
of Spinner." However, this colt's pedigree was given by
both Heber and Pond when he was racing as got by a
Son of Partner. Further, Heber
1759 says his dam was a mare "by Spinner." It appears that this
Crab mare (or a sister with the same pedigree) had, instead, in
1754, a grey colt called Spot in advertisements (Caledonian
Mercury, 9 May 1761. Numb. 6144; 12 Apr 1762. Numb. 6299;
London Evening Post, 3-5 May 1770, issue 6630.) The
pedigree given by Simeon Stuart said the horse's dam was "by Old
Crab, his grand-dam by Dyer's Dimple, his great grand dam by
Why-not, out of a royal mare."
A last problem is that
Simeon Stuart also certified Doge's pedigree in an advertisement
from 2 May 1769 in the York Courant (No. 2270.) as "got
by Regulus; his Dam, by Old Crab; his Grandam, by Dyer's Dimple;
his Great Grandam, by Castaway; his Great Great Grandam, by
Whynot, out of a Royal Mare."
The possibilities seem to
be that (1) Sir Simeon had two different closely related Crab
mares, one whose pedigree included a cross of Bethell's
Castaway, while the other did not and their records have been
consolidated into a single entry in GSB or (2) he had only one
mare and provided discrepant pedigrees for her produce. |
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Dyer's Dimple mare
This mare does not
have a broodmare entry in GSB; there is also no known historical
evidence for her existence; at present she is simply a cross in
pedigrees. Her sire Dyer's Dimple is also something of a
mystery: he is thought to have been foaled about 1700; his only
definitely dated get were foaled in 1716 and 1717, although he
probably had foals as early as 1705 and as late as 1725. |
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Bethell's Castaway mare?
This mare does
not have a broodmare entry in GSB, and in fact, does not appear
in every pedigrees representing this line. At present, and
lacking any historical evidence, it is not possible to resolve
whether she represents an error, or really did exist. Bethell's
Castaway raced at York in 1711, so is thought to have been
foaled about 1704. |
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Whynot mare
This mare does not have a
broodmare entry in GSB. The 1891 edition comments in the entry
of (GREY) WHYNOT
Either Grey
Whynot, or a sister to her, bred also a filly by Bethell's
Castaway, dam of a f by Dyer's Dimple, dam of a Crab mare, dam
of Charlotte, by Blank.
She is yet
another mare whose name is found only in pedigrees and lacks
historical evidence as to further characteristics. |
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A Royal Mare
There are several
additional pedigrees which include mention of both a Whynot and
a Royal Mare. Whether these all represent the same maternal line
is unknown at this time.
A filly
foal Chesnutt by Darcy's Arab, 5 yo, of her Call'd Whynott
[Darcy's Whynot Mare, 9 yo in 1711], Gott by a horse call'd
Foster, Whynott out of Darcy's Royall Mare. [The Duchess of
Newcastle's Mares, 1712 (C M Prior, Early Records of the
Thoroughbred Horse, 1925; p124)]
… The Dam of the
said Gray-Conyers, was out of a Royal Mare of Mr Wilkinson's of
West Laiton, and got by old Why-not, belonging to Esquire
Forster of Bainsbrough. / Test. --- Christopher Clayton,
Newcastle. [Newcastle Courant. 11 May 1728. Numb. 159.
Advertisement for Gray Conyers]
… her Grandam by Why-not;
her Great Grandam by old Mr Wilkinson’s Bay Arabian; her Great
Great Grandam by a natural Barb Mare Mr Wilkinson bought of Lord
Arlington; this Barb Mare was a Present from the Emperor of
Morocco to Lord Arlington, Secretary of State to King Charles
II. … [Newcastle Courant. 20 Mar 1762. No. 4461.
Advertisement for Adolphus]
This last pedigree is
reminiscent of Mr Cheny's remarks in 1746 that the Royal Mares
were so called "from their being procured abroad, by the
Interest of, and coming to England in, the time of King Charles
the Second." |
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Flying Whig and her descendants
Other
surviving branches of Family 15 descend from two daughters of
Flying Whig. The 15-a branch originates with Venus, by
Langar, a descendant of Flying Whig's daughter, the Little
Hartley Mare; the 15-d branch starts with a Regulus mare,
grandaughter of the Large Hartley Mare (another daughter of
Flying Whig). Branch 15-c has been removed from Family 15 based
on evidence from Lord Godolphin's records that Selima
(originator of 15-c) is, in fact, a descendant of the Moonah
Barb Mare of Family 21. |
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The Hartley mares
These two remarkable
daughters of Flying Whig were bred by Mr Hartley and owned for
some years by Francis, Earl of Godolphin; the 1808 edition of
GSB remarks that "Lord Godolphin’s stud groom bought the above
two mares in 1732, for 100 guineas each, of Mr Hartley." Their
surviving sons by the Godolphin Arabian all bred on and appear
many times over in the pedigrees of modern thoroughbreds,
although not as direct male line ancestors. Both mares had at
least one other son by other sires that bred on, as well as
daughters, and both should have corrections made to their
records in GSB based on information in surviving advertisements
and on Lord Godolphin's records (as published in C M Prior,
The Royal Studs of the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries,
1935). |
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The Little Hartley Mare (called Amorett
in Ld Godolphin's records)
She had her first broodmare entry
in An Introduction to a General Stud-book of 1791, her
pedigree given then as
Got by
Bartlet's Childers, out of Flying Whig, a daughter of Williams's
Woodstock Arabian, grand dam by the St Victor Barb, out of a
daughter of Whynot, son of the Fenwick Barb.
In
the 1891 edition her foaling year (1727) was added (presumably
taken from Mr Hartley's records) as was a foal in 1732 bred by
Mr Hartley. Her produce list should have changes made to reflect
the foaling dates in Ld Godolphin's records |
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1732 ch c Simpleton, by
Hartley's Blind Horse … Mr Hartley [1]
1735 b f by Whitefoot
… Ld Godolphin [2]
1736 b f by Whitefoot … Ld Godolphin [3]
1737 b c Tortoise, by ditto … Ld Godolphin [4]
1738
b c Janus, by the Godolphin Arabian … Ld Godolphin [5]
1739 b f (Merlin's dam) by ditto … Ld Godolphin [6]
1740 b c Blank, by ditto … Ld Godolphin [7]
1741 b c
Old England, by ditto … Ld Godolphin [8]
1744 b c Trimmer, by Hobgoblin … Mr Prentis
1745 ch c Shakespeare, by ditto … Mr Meredith
1746
ch c Midas, by Saucebox … Mr Meredith
1747 ch c
Slouch, by Cade … Sir J Moore
1751 f Miss Meredith,
by ditto … Mr Meredith
f by Shock (dam of Ęsop) … Mr Meredith
[1] Added
to the list of produce in the 1891 edition, presumably based on
Mr Hartley's papers
[2] Foales in 1735: bay filly by
Whitefoot … "sold at Sturbridge Fair, 1740." (Ld Godolphin's
records)
[3] Foales in 1736: bay filly … "sold in 1740, with
a fole by her Side, got by ye Arabian, to Mr Willson"(Ld
Godolphin's records)
[4] Foales in 1737: bay colt ... "called
Tortoise, sold to Ld Gower in 1743" (Ld Godolphin's records)
[5] Foales in 1738: bay colt … "Called Janus, gave to Lord
Middleton in 1748"(Ld Godolphin's records)
[6] Foales in
1739: bay filly … "sent, with her dam, to Sir John Dutton in
1741" (Ld Godolphin's records); "The Bright Bay Filly Given me
by ye Earl of Godolphin 3 Years old Ao 1742 … This Mare is full
Sister to Blank & Slugg & Janus" (Dutton records;
Gloucestershire Record Office D678/1 F14/5/6)
[7] Foales in
1740: bay colt … "Called Blank. Sold to Mr Greevill in 1746" (Ld
Godolphin's records)
[8] Foales in 1741: bay colt … "call’d
Slugg, was sent to Sir John Dutton’s in 1741 with his Dam" (Ld
Godolphin's records); "Old England, formerly called Slugg"
(Heber 1752) |
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The Large Hartley Mare (called
Sachrissa in Ld Godolphin's records)
She had her first
broodmare entry in the 1793 edition of GSB where her pedigree
was given as
Bred by Mr HARTLEY,
got by his Blind Horse, her dam, Flying Whig, by Williams's
Woodstock Arabian, grand dam by the St Victor Barb, out of a
daughter of Whynot, son of the Fenwick Barb.
This
mare's entry changed substantially in the 1891 edition of GSB.
In addition to providing her colour (chesnut) and foaling years
for her (1729) and her daughter by Hip (1733), her pedigree was
also amended. It appears that after the 1858 edition, GSB had
access to some records of Mr Hartley's, and these may well have
been the source for some of the changes. However, it also
appears that this editor made changes to numerous pedigrees in
an effort to consolidate female lines. Thus, it is not clear
whether the pedigree changes in this entry came directly from Mr
Hartley or reflect the editor's own pedigree extensions. The
1891 pedigree names the St Victor Barb cross as Points
and the Whynot cross as Grey Whynot; the
earliest generation is now given as a Royal Mare,
all of which brings this pedigree into agreement with that given
for Quick's Charlotte. The last change made to the
Large Hartley Mare's entry was the addition to her list of
produce of Selima (1746) bay filly by the Godolphin Arabian.
This is contradicted, however, by Ld Godolphin's own records
(see C M Prior, The Royal Studs of the Sixteenth and
Seventeenth Centuries, 1935).
The produce record of
the LARGE HARTLEY MARE should be revised as follows |
1732? ro c (Hartley’s roan
Stallion) by Hip … Mr Hartley [1]
1733 ro f by Hip (dam of
Why-not, by Old Cartouch) … Mr Hartley [2]
1735 b c Mogul, by
the Godolphin Arabian … Ld Godolphin [3]
1736 b c by the
Godolphin Arabian (died in Physick in 1740) … Ld Godolphin [4]
1737 b c Marlborough, by ditto … D of Marlborough [5]
1738 b
c Babraham, by the Godolphin Arab. … Ld Godolphin [6]
f by Roundhead … Ld Craven [7]
[1] An advertisement for
Hartley's roan horse, dated 12 Mar 1736-7 in the Newcastle
Courant (numb. 620.) called him "Five Years old." If the
foaling year given for the Large Hartley Mare in GSB is correct,
the advertisement probably should have said rising 5 years old -
or, in other words, would turn 5 years old May-Day 1737. At any
rate he cannot have been foaled as late as GSB's date of 1736.
[2] Her foaling year presumably taken from Mr Hartley's papers,
since none was given in her original entry in the 1808 edition.
[3] Foales in 1735: bay colt … "Mogull, which ye Duke of Bolton
had in 1739" (Ld Godolphin's records)
[4] Foales in 1736: bay
colt … "Dyed in Physick in 1740" (Ld Godolphin's records)
[5]
Foales in 1737: bay colt … "given to Willm Hearsy in 1741" (Ld
Godolphin's records); ctf given by Ld Godolphin in Dec 1747: "I
do hereby Certify, that the bay Horse I gave some Years ago to
Mr William H[ers]y of Li[?]ington, is full Brother to the Horse
called Babraham, both of them having been bred by me, and got by
my Arabian, their Dam I bought of Mr Hartly, who said she was
got by his old Stallion out of a Mare called The Flying Whigg…"
(Dublin Journal, Numb. 2210. 17-21 May 1748)
[6]
Foales in 1738: bay colt … "called Babraham, & sold to ye Duke
of Bewford in 1744" (Ld Godolphin's records)
[7] Added to her
dam's list of produce in the 1808 edition. Also note that in the
entry for 1739 in Ld Godolphin's records it is recorded that the
dam of Babraham was "sold to Mr Potts in 1739." According to an
advertisement in the Ipswich Journal, 4 May 1754 (No.
795) for a "coming six Years old," Mr Potts was Roundhead's
proprietor. |
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Flying Whig
She was first included in
the edition of 1791 in Part II.
* Flying Whig, Ld Godolphin, 1731, Woodstock Arabian - Points,
by St Victor's Barb - Grey Whynot.
* This mare was the dam of
the two Hartley mares.
Mr Hartley did race a 4
year old grey mare called Flying Whig in 1735. The record in
Cheny's calendars was probably the source for the date given in
this edition of GSB. Mr Hartley referred to "old Flying Whigg,
bred by Lord Godolphin" in his pedigree for Joseph Andrews
(a 1743 grandson of the Large Hartley Mare); it is likely that
the 1731 mare was a young
Flying Whig, probably a descendant of the older mare of the same
name; perhaps she was the daughter called Tripping Nancy
in the 1891 edition of GSB.
In 1891, Flying Whig
was given a full entry, the changes, again, at least in part,
appear to be based on Mr Hartley's records.
FLYING WHIGG,
Bred by Lord
GODOLPHIN, in 1715 (Pick says 1721), got by Williams' (or the
Woodstock) Arabian - her dam, Points (sister to the Bald
Galloway) by the St Victor Barb.
May 2 1727 ch f The
Little Hartley mare, by Bartlet's Childers ... Mr Leonard
Hartley
April 1729 ch f The Large Hartley Mare, by
Hartley's Blind Horse ... Mr Leonard Hartley
May 1 1730 ch f
by Hip ... Mr Leonard Hartley
1731 gr f Tripping Nancy,
by ditto ... Mr Leonard Hartley
1732 ch f by ditto ... Mr
Leonard Hartley
1733 b f (drowned as a yearling) by ditto ...
Mr Leonard Hartley
The age of this mare was wrongly given in previous editions.
A letter written about Countess to Ld Rockingham by
Mr Hartley in 1754 provides some additional details regarding
Flying Whig and her produce; for the full letter, see
Rockingham Transcriptions.
Flying Whig was frequently
referred to in 18th century pedigrees as Mr Ovington's.
Advertisements for Mr Hartley's roan horse (Newcastle
Courant. 12 Mar 1736-7. Numb. 620. and 28 Mar-4 Apr 1741.
Numb. 2468.) describe her as "that famous running Galloway that
formerly belonged to Mr Ovington" and "ran the disputed Race at
Stockton with Mr Nicholson's Grey Mare." Ovington's Flying Whigg
is also listed in Muir's Old Newmarket Calendar as
having won a Match at Newmarket, 8 Oct 1719.
Mr Hartley
appears to have been the authority for crediting Ld Godolphin as
breeder of Flying Whig, see for example, this advertisement from
the York Courant, 27 Feb 1749-50. Numb. 1272.
In the same Hands [John Luck and Joseph
Smith], at the same Place [Beverley in the County of York], the
famous well-shap'd Horse, call'd JOSEPH ANDREWS, fifteen Hands
and an Inch high, fit to carry eighteen Stone weight a Hunting;
bred by Leonard Hartley, Esq; near Richmond in Yorkshire, at One
Guinea and Half a Crown each Mare: He was got by Roundhead, who
was out of Roxana and the Devonshire Childers; Joseph's dam was
got by Hipp, bred by Charles Pelham, Esq; and got by the Old Bay
Barb; his Grandam by Mr Hartley's blind Horse; his Great Grandam
was Old Flying Whigg, bred by Lord Godolphin She was got by the
Woodstock Arabian, her Dam by St Victor's Barb, who got the Old
Bald galloway, and her Grandam by Old Grey Why-not. / LEONARD
HARTLEY.
N B In 1748 he won the Five Years Old Plate at
Lincoln; in 1749 he won the Six Years Old at Epsom, the King's
Plate at York, and the King's Plate at Lincoln. |
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Mare by the St Victor Barb (dam of Flying
Whig)
Bred and owned by Capt Rider.
The latest version
of Flying Whig's pedigree in GSB states that her dam was Points
(sister to the Bald Galloway) by the St Victor Barb.
GSB's identification of this mare as Points may have arisen
from entries in the calendars such as this one from Cheny 1750
Babraham … was got by the earl of
Godolphin's Arabian, and out of his Lordhip's large Hartley
Mare; she was got by Mr Hartley's blind horse (a son to the
Holderness Turk;) she was out of Mr Ovington's flying Whig,
which was got by Williams's Arabian at Woodstock, the sire of Mr
Frampton's Spider, and Points, her dam,
was bred by Capt Rider, and got by the St Victor Barb, out of a
Daughter of Why-not. The St Victor Barb was the sire of the
Ball'd Galloway.
The advertisement for Babraham in
Cheny 1749 is clearer
In the
Hands of Mr. Benjamin Rogers, at Mickleham, near Leatherhead and
Dorking, Surry, at four Guineas a Mare, and two Shillings the
Servant, (paid at the Stable Door) the Bay Horse called Babram,
sixteen Hands high, Master of eighteen Stone, wt. free from
natural Blemish. He was got by the Godolphin Arabian, his Dam by
the Hartley blind Stallion (Son of the Holderness Turk) his
Grand Dam was the Flying Whig, which was got by the
Woodstock Arabian, Sire of Spider and
Points, his Great Grand Dam by the St. Victor's Barb,
Sire of the Ball'd Galloway.
A version of
Babraham's pedigree in Lord Godolphin's records (see C M Prior,
The Royal Studs of the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries,
1935; p 143) says that this mare was bred by Capt Rider, and an
early version of the pedigree of Janus (see Cheny 1747)
describes her as "a high bred Mare of the late Capt Riders who
bred the Bald Galloway."
That said, it appears that the
dam of Spider and Points was not this mare at all, but was
instead the dam of Dumplin, "an Arabian Mare of Lord
Godolphin’s."
"… Dumplin was got
by Mr Frampton’s Hobler, out of an Arabian Mare of Lord
Godolphin’s which Mare was the Dam of Spider and Points."
[Advertisement for Young Dormouse, Whitehall Evening-Post.
13-15 Mar 1760. No. 2183.] |
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Mare by Whynot (grandam of Flying Whig)
This mare was given her first entry as a broodmare in the
1891 edition of GSB. This entry has several problems when
compared against eighteenth century records, and may need
substantial revision.
(GREY)
WHYNOT,
Got by Old Whynot (son of the Fenwick Barb), her dam
a Royal Mare.
c Bald Galloway, by St
Victor Barb ... Capt Rider
c Cupid,
by ditto ... Capt Rider
* f Points, by
ditto ... Capt Rider
+ f by Leedes ... Capt Rider
*POINTS (Lord Godolphin's) produced, 1715, f Flying Whigg, by
Williams or Woodstock Arabian, and, 1717, gr c by Williams's
White Turk, possibly the same horse.
+ This mare bred a f by
Dumpling.
From this mare, Blank,
Babraham, Gower Stallion, Merlin (by
Second), Sweetbriar, Hornsea, Rattle,
Amsterdam, Soothsayer, Jerry, Mr
Waggs, Medoro, Jacques, Tearaway,
Bacchus, Sealskin, Foxhall
(American), Harvester, Skylark, etc, descend.
Either Grey Whynot, or a sister to her, bred also a filly by
Bethell's Castaway, dam of a f by Dyer's Dimple, dam of a Crab
mare, dam of Charlotte, by Blank.
As
discussed above, evidence exists that Points was not a full
sister to the Bald Galloway. That there was a full sister,
however, comes from a pedigree for the stallion Merry Pintle,
advertised in Ireland in 1735: "THE famous white Horse, called
Merry Pintle, bred by Capt RIDER, out of a full Sister of the
famous Bald Gallway and got by the White Turk that got both True
Blues." (Dublin Journal. 17-20 May 1735).
There
was also a brother: "Cupid, which was called Brother to the Bald
Galloway, both bred by Mr Rider" (York Courant. 27 Feb
1753. Numb. 1428. Advertisement for Bald Partner).
The
Leeds mare listed as produce of (GREY) WHYNOT appears only in
the pedigree of Lord Strange's Sportsman, which Sportsman was
first entered in An Introduction to a General Stud-book,
of 1791, Part II, as
Sportsman,
(Ld Strange's) 1747, Ld Derby's Whitefoot - Nathan - Dumplin -
Leedes - Grey Whynot.
The format of this entry
suggests that the last cross is that of a stallion, and starting
with the edition of 1803, the Fenwick Barb was given as sire of
Grey Whynot. However, the pedigree given in both Heber's and
Pond's calendars imply that Grey Whynot was a mare, and do not
extend her pedigree. Pond 1753, for instance, says in the
section of pedigrees of 6 year olds
Sportsman, Lord Strange's, was got by
(the Earl of Derby's Stallion) Whitefoot; his Dam by Nathan, a
Son of Lord Lonsdale's Arabian, his Grand Dam by the Earl of
Godolphin's Dumplin, his Great Grand Dam by Leeds, out of grey
Why not.
Therefore, it is not certain what the
relationship was between Grey Whynot, apparently a mare
(pedigree not given), and the Whynot mare (dam of Flying Whig).
Of interest is the possibility that there was a brother to
Lord Strange's Sportsman. Lord Strange's bay colt by Whitefoot
ran 2 of 4 for 100gs each at Newmarket in October 1760. In Pond
1756, his pedigree had been given as "got by Whitefoot, out of
the Bridgewater Mare." The Earl of Bridgewater (Scroop Egerton,
created Duke of Bridgewater in 1720) was Master of the Horse to
Prince George of Denmark, and is known to have claimed the
Prince's horses at his death in 1709. (Historical Manuscripts
Commission. Eleventh Report, Appendix, Part IV. The Manuscripts
of the Marquess Townshend. London. 1887.) Among the horses
claimed was Leeds. Although only a few pedigrees of the Duke's
horses were published, it is known that Dumplin also sired the
Duke's Slouch. The late Duke of Bridgewater's horses were
offered for sale in 1745 (see the London Evening Post,
31 Jan 1745; issue 2690; and 14 Mar 1745; issue 2708.) but no
sales lists have come to light. Possibly Lord Strange acquired
his "Bridgewater Mare" from one of these sales, and she then
became dam of his Sportsman. |
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great grandam of Flying Whig
Most
surviving eighteenth century pedigrees of descendants of Flying
Whig do not identify her great grandam, ending, instead, with
the daughter of Whynot. Two pedigrees, however, do describe her
as a mare "of a Running Kind."
From an advertisement in
the York Courant for Captain, 10 Mar 1752. Numb. 1379.
My Horse was out of the Dam of
Babram, and was got by my blind Horse out of old Flying Whig,
which Lord Godolphin bred. She was got by the Woodstock Arabian,
who also got the famous Spider and Points; her Dam was got by St
Victor's Barb, who got the Old Bald Galloway, and her Grandam by
Old Grey Whynot, and out of a Running Kind, &c. The Pedigree of
Hip I had from Mr Pelham, and that of Whig from Lord Godolphin.
/ LEONARD HARTLEY.
And from an advertisement for
Sans Souci, in the York Courant, 1 Mar 1774. No 2525.
… He was got by Young Cade; his
Dam, by Shock (out of Mr Hartley’s Countess, by the Hartley
Blind Stallion); his Great Grandam, by Hip; his Great Great
Grandam, by the Hartley Blind Stallion; his Great Great Great
Grandam, by the Woodstock Arabian; his Great Great Great Great
Grandam, by St Victor’s Barb; his Great Great Great Great Great
Grandam, by Old Whynot, out of a Running Mare of Lord
Godolphin’s.—A True Pedigree. / William Ayre. |
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The Bald Galloway
Although there are two
surviving advertisements for the Bald Galloway, neither provides a
pedigree. Evidently he was at the end of his career, and
sufficiently famous by then, that it was thought unnecessary.
THIS is to give Notice, that on the
16th and 17th Days of March next, will be sold, (by way of
Auction the Stud, late of Mr William Ovington of Cowling, nigh
Beedal, in the County of York) consisting of several Stallions,
viz Own Brother to Childer's baul'd Galloway, and the famous
Arabian, call'd, Bloody Buttocks, and several large sized Brood
Mares, Colts, Fillys, and Foals got by the above-said Stallions;
as also several Milk Cows, and other large Cattle: All which
said Goods will be sold at the Time and Place above-mentioned. [Newcastle
Courant. 24 Feb 1727-8. Numb. 148.]
THIS is to give
Notice, that the bald Galloway is leap'd at Mr Ascoughs of
Jervaux-Abby, near Middleham, at 2 Guineas each, and half a
Crown to his Servant; when he bought the said Horse, he did say
to several People, he would leap him at one Guinea, but People
flocking to him so fast, he is desir'd by most of those that
makes use of him to serve at 2 Guineas, least he should be
overset; he got 50 Mares the last Year, at 5 Guineas each;
likewise Castaway serves Mares at the same Place, at half a
Guinea, and Six-pence to his Man; Whoever has a Mind to make Use
of the said Stallions, they shall be well taken Care off, and
have Grass for their Mares that has Foals, at half a Crown, and
those has none, at two Shillings per Week. [Newcastle
Courant. 23 Mar 1727-8. Numb. 152.]
The
earliest surviving pedigree of the Bald Galloway is probably the
one found in the Dutton records (D678/1 F14/5/6; Gloucestershire
Record Office). It is undated but is the second of 16 stallion
pedigrees, and is found immediately following one for Childers
and immediately preceding a pedigree of Bay Bolton "taken out of
Sr Mathew Pearson’s Book who bred him. 6 Decr 1735."
The Ball'd Galloway's Pedigree.
He
was got by Monsr St Victor's Barb;
His Dam by Mr Rider's
Whynot,
Whynot was out of a Royall Mare & the Yellow Turk, &
bred by Mr D'arcey.
An early date is also
suggested from the fact that the only year any of the mares in
the Stud were covered by the Bald Galloway is 1726 (the mares
were the Leeds Mare, Stanhope Mare, Kitty Burdge, and Young
Kitty Burdet). It might also be important to note that "Mr
Darcy" did not become Ld Darcy until 1721, perhaps indicating
that this pedigree was recorded at an even earlier date.
The earliest published pedigree now known is found in Cheny's
print of the Carlisle Gelding (originally called Buckhunter)
published 26 Sep 1741. Cheny said that the Bald Galloway
was bred by ye late Captn Rider, in
Whittleberry Forest, Northampton-shire. His Dam was a Royal Mare
of the said Captain Rider's, of the Why-not Kind. His Sire was a
Barb of Monsieur St Victor's of France.
In 1743,
Cheny referred to "the St Victor's Barb, Sire of the Bald
Galloway" when giving the pedigree of the grandam of Lord
Godolphin's dun filly. In 1744, Cheny added that "The Dam of the
said bald Galloway was a Why not Royal Mare, which Why not was
got by the Fenwick Barb."
Finally in 1746, Cheny added
"His Dam was called a Why not
Royal Mare, she being got by Why not, a Son of the Fenwick Barb,
and a Descendant of one of the Mares, called Royal Mares, from
their being procured abroad, by the Interest of, and coming to
England in, the time of King Charles the Second."
This was the pedigree entered in An Introduction to a
General Stud-book, of 1791, and repeated unchanged through
the 4th edition of 1858.
Bald
Galloway, Capt Rider, St Victor's Barb - Whynot - Royal Mare.
In 1891, as noted above, the Bald Galloway was listed as
produce of the mare called (GREY) WHYNOT thereby joining his
descent with that of the line of the CRAB MARE (dam by Dyer's
Dimple - Bethell's Castaway - Whynot - a Royal Mare), whose line
cannot be verified from historical sources any earlier than the
produce of the CRAB MARE.
Given the multiplicity of
Whynot's in early records, a comparison of the Bald Galloway's
pedigree from the Dutton records with Cheny's pedigree of some
20 years later raises the distinct possibility that Cheny
misidentified the Whynot, and consequently displaced the "Royal
Mare." Unfortunately, there are no known descendants of Merry
Pintle's dam (said to have been a full sister to the Bald
Galloway), so this question is unlikely to be resolved by
scientific testing. |
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Bald Galloway
[from Dutton
records] |
St Victor's Barb |
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Mr Rider's Whynot
bred by Mr D'arcey |
Yellow Turk |
| Royall Mare |
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Bald Galloway
[from Cheny's print of the Carlisle Gelding, 1741, etc]
Bred by Capt Rider,
in Whittleberry Forest |
St Victor's Barb |
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Royal Mare of Capt
Rider's
"of the Whynot Kind," later
called "a
Whynot Royal Mare"
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Whynot |
Fenwick Barb |
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| In summary, it is possible that as many as five mares have
been consolidated in GSB's single entry of (GREY) WHYNOT. |
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15-a,15-d |
| Royal Mare |
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Ld Godolphin's mare of the "running Kind" |
| mare by Whynot |
Grey Whynot [a mare] |
Ld Godolphin's Arabian mare
(dam of Dumplin, by
Frampton's Hobler |
mare by Rider's Whynot
(son of the Yellow Turk) |
mare by old Grey Whynot
(son of the Fenwick Barb) |
| mare by Bethell's Castaway |
D: Bridgewater's mare by Leeds |
Spider & Points,
by St Victor's Barb |
Capt Rider's Bald Galloway,
by St Victor's Barb |
Ld Godolphin's Flying Whig
(1715) by
Williams Arabian at Woodstock |
| mare by Dyer's Dimple |
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| CRAB MARE |
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Quick's Charlotte
(1756), by Blank |
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Whynot references in early pedigrees
♦ A filly foal Chesnutt by
Darcy's Arab, 5 yo, of her Call'd Whynott [Darcy's Whynot Mare,
9 yo in 1711], Gott by a horse call'd Foster, Whynott out of
Darcy's Royall Mare. [The Duchess of Newcastle's Mares, 1712 (C
M Prior, Early Records of the Thoroughbred Horse, 1925;
p124)]
♦ … The Dam of the said Gray-Conyers, was
out of a Royal Mare of Mr Wilkinson's of West Laiton, and got by
old Why-not, belonging to Esquire Forster of Bainsbrough. /
Test. --- Christopher Clayton, Newcastle. [Newcastle Courant.
11 May 1728. Numb. 159. Advertisement for Gray Conyers]
♦
THIS is to give Notice, that Col EDWARD STRATFORD, of Bellan,
intends to sell all his Studd by Cant, both of the Saddle and
Coach Breed: There are three Stallions, all the Sons of old Why
not, viz Dimple, Diamond, and Bay Why-not, and several breeding
Mares and young Cattle of the same, and several of the Coach
Breed: The Cant to begin at Timolin, on Thursday the 14th of
September next, the Day between the two Races at the Curragh, at
Ten of the Clock, and so continue until all be sold. All to be
sold for ready money. [Dublin Journal. 2-5 Sep 1732.
Numb. 716.]
♦ [The Carlisle Gelding's] Dam was a
Royal Mare of the said Captain Rider's, of the Why-not Kind. His
Sire was a Barb of Monsieur St Victor's of France. / Publish'd
this 26th day of September. 1741. by John Cheny.
♦
… the Ball'd Galloway. Which was bred by the late Captain Rider
of Northampton Shire, out of a Whynot Royal Mare And a Foreign
Horse (styl'd from his owner) the St Victor Barb. [Cheny print
of Sir William Morgan's Old Cartouch, no date of publication]
♦ 3 / The Ball'd Galloway's Pedigree. / He was got by
Monsr St Victor's Barb; / His Dam by Mr Rider's Whynot, / Whynot
was out of a Royall Mare & the Yellow Turk, & bred by Mr
D'arcey. [Dutton records (D678/1 F14/5/6; Gloucestershire Record
Office)]
♦ … out of a Daughter of / Old
Grey-Whynot, & bred by Mr / Ryder. [Dutton records (D678/1
F14/5/6; Gloucestershire Record Office) a b f given Sir John
Dutton by the Earl of Godolphin, 3 yo in 1742]
♦ …
a Daughter of Old Whynot, Son of the Fenwick Bard [sic]. [Cheny
1743; pedigree of Tortoise]
♦ … The Dam of the said
bald Galloway was a Why not Royal Mare, which Why not was got by
the Fenwick Barb. [Cheny 1744; pedigree of Earl of Godolphin's
Cade]
♦ … the Wilkinson Whynot, (Sire also of the
Dam of the Bald Galloway) Son of the Fenwick Barb. [Cheny 1744;
pedigree of Edward Leeds' Esq; Kittle Bender]
♦ …
the Wilkinson Why-not, Son of the Fenwick Barb. [Cheny 1745;
John Fenwick's, Esq; b f]
♦ … the Bald Galloway, …
His Dam was called a Why not Royal Mare, she being got by Why
not, a Son of the Fenwick Barb, and a Descendant of one of the
Mares, called Royal Mares, from their being procured abroad, by
the Interest of, and coming to England in, the time of King
Charles the Second. [Cheny 1746]
♦ … [Flying
Whigg's] Grandam by Old Grey Why-not. / LEONARD HARTLEY. [York
Courant. 27 Feb 1749-50. Numb. 1272. Advertisement for
Joseph Andrews]
♦ … his Dam was call'd the Why-not
Mare, and she was got by [White]-Foot, Merlin.--"This is a true
Pedigree, Witness my Hand, / THO. HAWKINS. / Gentleman of Horse
to the late and present Duke [of Ancaster]." / N B Good Grass
for Mares, and proper Care taken. [York Courant. 12 Mar
1750-1. Numb. 1327. Advertisement for a Son of Winn's Arabian]
♦ … Whynot was famous boath for Raceing and a Stallion
he was Son of ffenwick Barb.. [Ld Rockingham's collection of
pedigrees and breeders certificates, WWM/R193/45; Sheffield
Archives; pedigree of Countess sent in 1754 by Mr Hartley]
♦ Victorious was got by Rufler, his Dam by the late
Hutton's grey Barb, his Grandam by Bay Whynot, which was the Dam
of Bay Wilkinson. She came from a kind of Mr. Wilkinson's called
the Smithson; Mariamne is full Sister to Sir Ralph Gore's Mare.
[Pond 1754; pedigrees of 6 yo; Earl of Portmore's Mariamne]
♦ … Old Why-not, Son of the Fenwick Barb. [Heber 1757;
advertisement for Shakespear]
♦ his great grand dam
by Why-not, out of a royal mare. / The above is a true pedigree
of Spot. / Simeon Stuart. [Caledonian Mercury.
9 May 1761. Num. 6144. Advertisement for Spot]
♦ …
his Great Great Grandam, by Whynot, out of a Royal Mare. …
--This is a true Pedigree. / Simeon Stuart. [York Courant.
No 2270. 2 May 1769. Advertisement for Doge]
♦ …
her Grandam by Why-not; her Great Grandam by old Mr Wilkinson’s
Bay Arabian; her Great Great Grandam by a natural Barb Mare Mr
Wilkinson bought of Lord Arlington; this Barb Mare was a Present
from the Emperor of Morocco to Lord Arlington, Secretary of
State to King Charles II. … [Newcastle Courant. 20 Mar
1762. No. 4461. Advertisement for Adolphus] |
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| Selima |
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| Long thought to be a
daughter of Sachrissa, Selima instead belongs to Family
21. C M Prior discovered her pedigree in Lord Godolphin's stud books [Royal
Studs:172]. See Selima. |
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